Potteries derby

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Potteries derby
Locale Stoke-on-Trent
Teams Port Vale vs. Stoke City
First meeting 2 December 1882[1]
Latest meeting 10 February 2002
Second Division
Statistics
Meetings total 185
Most wins Stoke City (101)[1]
Most player appearances Tom Holford (28)[1]
All-time series Port Vale: 44
Drawn: 40
Stoke: 101
Largest victory Stoke 4–0 Port Vale (1931)

The Potteries derby is the football local derby in Stoke-on-Trent between Port Vale and Stoke City. The fans of each club both consider the other to be their main rivals;[2] this has led to a heated atmosphere at these matches, especially with the rise of football hooliganism and the 'Naughty Forty'. The two teams have met a total of 185 times, consisting of: 44 The Football League, 6 FA Cup, 62 friendlies, and 73 other (mostly local) cup games.[1]

Stoke-on-Trent is the least populous city to have two Football League clubs (the next smallest is Nottingham). Leeds, Leicester, Coventry, Hull, Bradford, and Cardiff are all larger cities that contain just one league club.[3]

Background

Bottle kiln, Longton, Stoke-on-Trent.jpg

Both clubs come from Stoke-on-Trent and are the only clubs from the city to have played in the football league. Port Vale are Burslem based and Stoke City traditionally are based in Stoke-upon-Trent. The city of Stoke-on-Trent was incorporated in 1910 (city status granted in 1925), therefore before this time the two clubs were based in separate towns and were local rivals rather than rivals within the same city. Despite this however, the Valiants did use The Old Recreation Ground as their home stadium, which was located in Hanley.

Both clubs had strong links to the local pottery industry, Port Vale's unique name being based on the Trent and Mersey Canal and with City's nickname being The Potters.

Port Vale tends to get support from the North of the city, notably Tunstall and Burslem. Stoke therefore tend to enjoy greater support in the South of the city.

History

The two clubs have long league histories, Stoke City were founded in 1863 or 1868[4] and Port Vale were probably formed in 1879.[5] In the early 20th century, both clubs spent time out of the Football League structure: from 1907 (for Vale) and 1908 (for Stoke) until 1919 - both had resigned due to financial troubles. Stoke were founder members of the football league in 1888 and Port Vale were founder members of both the Second Division in 1892 and the Fourth Division in 1958. City have tended to be the more successful club over the years, the most valued trophy going to Stoke in 1972 in the form of the League Cup. Although Vale did reach the semi-finals of the FA Cup in 1954, Stoke bettered this with a second-place finish in 2011. Stoke have also tended to play in higher tiers of the football league throughout the clubs history, although since 1919 the two clubs have found themselves in the same league for 22 seasons. Vale have had only five seasons playing at a higher level than City, and never in the top flight. Whilst competing in the same division, Vale have finished above Stoke on seven occasions.[6] Stoke therefore have finished above Vale 87 times (as of 2011, and only including seasons in which Vale have competed in the Football League).

The first derby game was played at Westport Meadows on 2 December 1882, in the Second Round of the Staffordshire Senior Cup.[1] Vale were complete unknowns, and so pulled off a surprise by managing a 1–1 with their more established rivals-to-be.[1] No details of the match were recorded, though The Staffordshire Sentinel did mention the match along with the comment that it was "a spirited game".[1] Stoke won the replay 5–1 at the Victoria Ground seven days later, with George Shutt bagging four of the goals.[1] It took Vale seventeen attempts to register their first victory over Stoke, which they finally did in a friendly on 29 March 1890, winning 2–1.[1]

The biggest attendance came on 6 January 1951, as a crowd of 49,500 packed into the Victoria Ground to witness the teams draw in an FA Cup First Round encounter. Three years later some 46,777 turned up at the ground when the pair met in the league. The biggest crowd for an encounter Vale Park came on 25 April 1955, when a crowd of 41,674 witnessed a Stoke victory.[1]

Though the two clubs have been main rivals since as early as the 1880s, they have supported each other in times of need. Before regaining their Football League status in the early 20th century, the two clubs had a pact that meant Vale would not bid for membership, leaving Stoke more likely to succeed in their bid; Stoke would then support Vale in any future bids they made.[7] During times of deep financial crisis at the Vale, Stoke played fund-raising matches with the Vale in order to try and prevent their rivals from going into liquidation.[7] In turn, Vale allowed Stoke to play a home game at Vale Park when a freak gale in January 1976 caused severe damage to the Victoria Ground.[7]

Game list

The most recent game resulted in a 1–0 away win for Port Vale, Stoke City's last win over Vale being seven derbies ago.

This list shows all competitive senior matches in the Football League, the FA Cup, League Cup, and League Trophy. Matches from wartime competitions, friendlies, Staffordshire Senior Cup, and other minor cup competitions are not included.

Note that the league system was re-organized in 1992 with the creation of the Premier League and in 2004 with the league re-branding.

Date Competition Stadium Score Port Vale Scorers Stoke City Scorers Att.
Stoke City promoted to First Division 2001–02
10 February 2002 Second Division Britannia Stadium
0–1
 Cummins[8] 23,019
21 October 2001 Second Division Vale Park 1–1 McPhee Iwelumo[9] 10,344
5 March 2001 LDV Trophy Britannia Stadium
1–2
 Cummins, Bridge-Wilkinson Mohan[10] 11,323
17 February 2001 Second Division Britannia Stadium 1–1 Brammer O'Connor[11] 22,133
17 September 2000 Second Division Vale Park 1–1 Bridge-Wilkinson Lightbourne[12] 8,948
Port Vale relegated to Second Division 1999–2000
Stoke City relegated to Second Division 1997–98
1 March 1998 First Division Vale Park 0–0 [13] 13,853
12 October 1997 First Division Britannia Stadium
2–1
 Naylor Forsyth, Keen[14] 20,125
20 April 1997 First Division Victoria Ground
2–0
 Sheron (2)[15] 16,426
13 October 1996 First Division Vale Park 1–1 Mills Keen[16] 14,396
12 March 1996 First Division Vale Park
1–0
 Bogie[17] 16,737
27 August 1995 First Division Victoria Ground
0–1
 Bogie[18] 14,283
22 April 1995 First Division Victoria Ground
0–1
 Foyle[19] 20,429
14 March 1995 First Division Vale Park 1–1 Naylor Sandford[20] 19,510
Port Vale promoted to First Division 1993–1994
Stoke City promoted to First Division 1992–1993
31 March 1993 Second Division Vale Park
0–2
 Stein, Gleghorn 20,373
3 March 1993 Autoglass Trophy Victoria Ground
0–1
 Van der Laan 22,254
24 November 1992 FA Cup First Round Replay Vale Park
3–1
 Foyle (2), Porter Sandford 19,810
16 November 1992 FA Cup First Round Victoria Ground 0–0 24,490
24 October 1992 Second Division Victoria Ground
2–1
 Kerr Cranson, Stein 24,334
Port Vale relegated to Third Division 1991–92
Stoke City relegated to Third Division 1989–90
3 February 1990 Second Division Vale Park 0–0 22,075
23 September 1989 Second Division Victoria Ground 1–1 Earle Palin 27,004
Port Vale promoted to Second Division 1988–89
Port Vale relegated to Third Division 1956–57
29 April 1957 Second Division Vale Park 2–2 Cunliffe, Steele Graver, King 22,395
10 October 1956 Second Division Victoria Ground
3–1
 Smith Coleman (2), Kelly 39,446
31 March 1956 Second Division Victoria Ground 1–1 Griffiths Oscroft 37,928
8 October 1955 Second Division Vale Park
1–0
 Done 37,261
25 April 1955 Second Division Vale Park
0–1
 Bowyer 41,674
4 September 1954 Second Division Victoria Ground 0–0 46,777
Port Vale promoted to Second Division 1953–54
8 January 1951 FA Cup First Round Replay Victoria Ground
1–0
 Bowyer 40,977
6 January 1951 FA Cup First Round Victoria Ground 2–2 Bennett, Pinchbeck Mullard (2) 49,500
Stoke City promoted to First Division 1932–33
4 March 1933 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
1–3
 McGrath Johnson, Ware, Matthews 19,625
22 October 1932 Second Division Victoria Ground
1–0
 Johnson 29,296
6 February 1932 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
3–0
 Marshall (2), Henshall 21,089
26 September 1931 Second Division Victoria Ground
4–0
 Sale, Bussey (3) 28,292
18 April 1931 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground 0–0 13,403
13 December 1930 Second Division Victoria Ground
1–0
 Robertson 26,609
Port Vale promoted to Second Division 1929–30
Port Vale relegated to Third Division North 1928–29
26 January 1929 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
1–2
 Mandley Shirley (2) 18,869
15 September 1928 Second Division Victoria Ground
2–1
 Griffiths Davies, Bussey 35,288
17 March 1928 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground 0–0 21,071
5 November 1927 Second Division Victoria Ground
0–2
 Anstiss, Kirkham 31,493
Stoke City promoted to Second Division 1926–27
Stoke City relegated to Third Division North 1925–26
7 September 1925 Second Division Victoria Ground
0–3
 Kirkham (3) 21,869
31 August 1925 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
3–0
 Kirkham (2 [1 pen]), Strange 19,997
24 January 1925 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
2–0
 Kirkham, Tempest 17,936
20 September 1924 Second Division Victoria Ground
0–1
 Connelly 22,747
13 October 1923 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
2–4
 Page, Butler J Broad (2), Eyres (2) 16,800
6 October 1923 Second Division Victoria Ground
1–0
 Clarke 21,685
Stoke relegated to Second Division 1922–23
Stoke promoted to First Division 1921–22
7 January 1922 FA Cup First Round The Old Recreation Ground
2–4
 Page, Brough Watkin (3), Tempest 14,471
1 October 1921 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
0–1
 J Broad 20,000
24 September 1921 Second Division Victoria Ground 0–0 30,000
2 October 1920 Second Division Victoria Ground
0–1
 Blood 26,500
25 September 1920 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
2–1
 Page, Briscoe McColl 20,000
13 March 1920 Second Division Victoria Ground 0–0 27,000
6 March 1920 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
0–3
 Whittingham, Brown, Watkin 22,697
Port Vale and Stoke City re-admitted to the Football League 1919–20
15 October 1887 FA Cup First Round Victoria Ground
1–0
 Lawton

Statistics

Bob Whittingham scored thirteen times past Vale for Stoke.

As of 12 January 2009

Club P W D L F A +/-
Football League
Port Vale 44 13 15 16 41 45 -7
Stoke City 44 16 15 13 45 41 +7
FA Cup
Port Vale 6 1 2 3 7 9 -2
Stoke City 6 3 2 1 9 7 +2
Football League Trophy
Port Vale 2 2 0 0 3 1 +2
Stoke City 2 0 0 2 1 3 -2
Friendlies & minor cups[1]
Port Vale 133 29 23 82 156 298 -142
Stoke City 133 82 23 29 298 156 +142
Totals
Port Vale 185 44 40 101 207 353 -146
Stoke City 185 101 40 44 353 207 +146

Honours

The League Cup trophy, won by Stoke City in 1972.

These are the major footballing honours of Port Vale and Stoke City.

Competition Port Vale Stoke City
Second Division / Football League Championship (2nd tier) 0 2
Third Division / Third Division North / League One (3rd tier) 2 2
Fourth Division / League Two (4th tier) 1 0
Football League Cup 0 1
Football League Trophy 2 2
Total 5 7

Crossing the divide

Players who have played for both clubs

Neil MacKenzie started his career at Stoke City, but had a short stay at Vale Park later in his career.
File:Tom Holford1.JPG
Tom Holford made a record 28 appearances in derby games.
Port Vale player-coach Gareth Owen started his career with Stoke.
Billy Briscoe scored five times for Vale in 22 derby appearances.
Billy Tempest played 24 derby games, mostly for Stoke.
Billy Herbert scored ten times past Vale for Stoke.
Jack Maddock played for both Vale and Stoke in the derby, and also turned out for Crewe.
William Dickson scored seven times for Stoke in derby games.
Jim Beech played in fifteen derby games for the Vale.
Sunderland legend Arthur Bridgett played for both Stoke and Vale.
File:Tommy Clare.JPG
Tommy Clare played for Stoke for fourteen years before becoming Vale's manager-secretary.
Micky Adams had a brief spell with Stoke before he was appointed manager of Port Vale.
Bill Rowley was a Vale player before he became Stoke's manager.

The player with the most appearances in derby games is Tom Holford, who played nine times in Stoke colours and nineteen times in Vale colours between 1899 and 1922. Dickie Smith played 24 appearances in Stoke colours, whilst Billy Briscoe turned out 22 times for the Valiants. The player with most appearances in the derby following World War II is John McCue, who played seventeen times for the Potters, followed by Vale's Roy Sproson with fifteen derby appearances.[1]

In terms of goals scored the record-holder is Bob Whittingham, who knocked thirteen goals in for Stoke between 1917 and 1920, though only one of these came in a Football League encounter. The most successful scorer in Vale colours has been Wilf Kirkham with seven goals, though he also scored once whilst playing on Stoke's side – all Kirkham's goals came in the Football League.[1]

Players in bold transferred directly between the clubs, or were released by one and then signed for the other.

Both the Potteries clubs also share a rivalry with Crewe Alexandra. Players highlighted in pink have turned out for all three clubs.

As of 28 January 2013.
Player Port Vale career Stoke City career
Span League
Appearances		 League
Goals		 Span League
Appearances		 League
Goals
Ron Andrew 1964–1965 8 1 1957–1964 115 1
Len Armitage 1932–1934 11 2 1924–1932 200 19
Bill Asprey 1967–1968 31 0 1953–1966 304 23
Tom Baddeley 1893–1896 64 0 1910 9 0
Frank Baker 1935–1936 0 0 1936–1950 162 32
Lewis Ballham 1888–1890 16 6 1891–1892 18 5
George Bateman 1882–1886
1886–1890		 18 0 1886–1887
1891–1892		 5 0
Jason Beckford 1991 5 1 1994–1995 4 0
Harry Benson 1908–1911 43 0 1901–1907 87 0
Bill Bentley 1977–1980 95 0 1964–1968 48 1
Brian Bithell 1977 2 0 1976–1977 17 0
Alan Bloor 1978–1979 6 1 1961–1977 388 17
Albert Boardman 1894–1895 0 0 1895–1897 4 0
Lucien Boullemier 1897–1902
1905		 153 6 1896 7 0
John Bowman 1899 0 0 1899–1900 4 0
Arthur Box 1904–1907 50 1 1907–1909 33 0
William Bradbury 1903–1907 12 0 1910–1911 28 0
Dave Brammer 1999–2001
2008–2009		 85 3 2004–2007 105 2
Arthur Bridgett 1923–1924 14 7 1902 7 0
Ian Brightwell 2002–2004 37 0 2002 4 0
Davy Brodie 1897 0 0 1889–1897 170 2
Joe Brough 1906–1907
1909–1910
1913–1922		 159 69 1907 1 0
Adrian Capes 1900–1905
1907–1911		 197 75 1905–1907 17 2
Mark Chamberlain 1979–1982 96 18 1982–1985 111 17
Neville Chamberlain 1978–1982 141 32 1982–1984 7 0
Tommy Clare 1884
1897
1898–1901		 39 0 1884–1897 198 4
Albert Cook 1900–1906
1907
1909–1911		 58 7 1906 12 1
William Cope 1904–1907 73 1 1907–1908 25 0
Harry Cotton 1901–1905 124 0 1905–1908 22 1
Tom Coxon 1902–1903
1906–1907		 42 13 1903–1904
1907		 34 6
Arthur Cumberlidge 1937–1946 81 1 1936 0 0
Harry Davies 1938–1939 44 4 1922–1929
1932–1937		 388 92
Carl Dickinson 2013– 0 0 2004–2011 60 0
Tony Dinning 2005–2006 42 2 2002 5 0
Alan Dodd 1986–1987 2 0 1969–1982 356 3
Billy Draycott 1890–1891 2 1 1891–1894 2 0
Archie Dyke 1913–1914
1919		 21 2 1909–1912
1914		 41 3
Billy Eardley 1894–1895
1895–1896		 17 7 1896 10 1
Francis Eardley 1910–1911 6 2 1909 3 2
Wayne Ebanks 1985–1987 39 0 1984 10 0
Ted Evans 1896–1899 38 14 1891–1895 55 18
Arthur Fielding 1910–1911 4 5 1908–1909 3 0
John Flowers 1971–1972 34 0 1963–1966 8 0
Peter Ford 1959–1963 104 5 1956–1959 14 0
Jimmy Greenhoff 1981–1983 48 5 1969–1976 274 76
Peter Griffiths 1984–1986 36 4 1983–1984 60 5
Steve Guppy 1994–1997 105 12 2004 4 0
Charles Hallam 1922–1923 1 0 1924–1927 31 2
Mark Harrison 1980–1982 70 0 1982–1983 7 0
Arthur Hartshorne 1902–1903 28 0 1903–1905 53 0
Billy Heames 1897–1904 208 22 1883–1887 16 2
Geoff Hickson 1968 17 0 1959–1961 11 0
Ted Holdcroft 1901–1903 16 1 1903–1905 43 11
Tom Holford 1919–1924 62 3 1898–1908 248 30
Vic Horrocks 1905–1907
1911–1912		 37 2 1904
1908–1911		 19 8
Sam Howshall 1903–1905 2 0 1908 1 2
Arthur Jepson 1938–1946 41 0 1946–1948 28 0
Tony Kelly 1994 4 1 1986–1987 36 4
Wilf Kirkham 1923–1929
1932–1933		 260 153 1929–1932 51 30
Tony Lacey 1970–1975 201 9 1967–1969 4 0
George Lawton 1886 0 0 1885–1889 13 1
Billy Leech 1899–1900 26 1 1900–1901 46 2
Terry Lees 1975–1976 41 2 1970–1975 24 0
Harry Leese 1913–1919 37 4 1907
1909–1913		 109 11
Aaron Lockett 1914–1915
1916–1917
1919–1920		 27 9 1918 21 11
John Lumsdon 1978 5 0 1975–1978 28 0
Neil MacKenzie 2008–2009 2 0 1996–1999 41 1
Ted McDonald 1894–1896
1897–1899		 105 10 1896–1897 2 0
Bob McSkimming 1889–1891 0 0 1888–1889 22 6
Arden Maddison 1924–1927 53 1 1924 1 0
Jack Maddock 1923–1931 173 10 1919–1921 23 4
Paul Maguire 1985–1988 115 22 1980–1984 107 24
Alan Martin 1941–1951 169 28 1951–1955 104 66
Harry Mellor 1896 0 0 1897–1900 29 3
Lee Mills 1995–1998 109 35 2003 11 1
Bob Milarvie 1889 0 0 1888–1889 15 5
Ernie Millward 1907–1908 0 0 1908–1910 69 24
Ian Moores 1988 0 0 1974–1976 50 14
Jackie Mudie 1963–1967 54 9 1961–1963 89 32
Albert Mullard 1951–1956 163 22 1950–1951 21 3
Ernest Mullineux 1900–1904 113 1 1907–1914 173 0
Jimmy O'Neill 1965–1966 42 0 1960–1964 130 0
Harry Oscroft 1959–1961 47 12 1949–1959 349 106
Gareth Owen 2008–2009
2009–2013		 114 2 2001–2005 5 0
Syd Owen 1907
1908		 3 0 1906
1907		 6 4
Wally Owen 1911–1912 1 0 1910 0 0
Louis Page 1932–1933 18 2 1919–1922 21 1
Jack Peart 1922 7 0 1909–1912 44 38
Syd Peppitt 1950–1951 11 3 1936–1950 94 29
Edward Proctor 1896–1897 13 3 1895–1896 3 2
Bob Ramsey 1886–1888
1893–1894		 16 0 1888–1890 43 5
Leigh Richmond Roose 1910 0 0 1901–1904
1905–1907		 147 0
Vic Rouse 1926–1929 95 0 1922–1926 92 2
Arthur Rowley 1902–1903 57 4 1896–1899 57 0
Bill Rowley 1884–1886 0 0 1887–1896 118 0
Harry Sellars 1937–1938 0 0 1923–1935 369 18
Kevin Sheldon 1982 5 0 1975–1981 15 0
George Shutt 1891–1893 1 0 1885–1889 21 1
Barry Siddall 1982–1984 81 0 1984–1986 20 0
Eric Skeels 1976–1977 5 1 1959–1976 507 7
Sam Spencer 1929–1930 0 0 1921–1922 1 0
Freddie Steele 1951–1953 25 12 1933–1949 224 140
James Swarbrick 1911–1912 22 3 1910–1911 3 0
Harry Taylor 1912 0 0 1909–1910 10 4
Billy Tempest 1924–1926 45 3 1912–1924 202 29
Billy Twemlow 1921–1923 21 0 1916–1921 36 2
Steve Waddington 1982–1983 1 0 1976–1979 52 5
Tommy Ward 1936–1938
1939		 50 22 1938–1939 5 0
Cyril Watkin 1944 0 0 1944–1952 86 0
Frank Watkin 1929–1931 13 9 1926 5 0
Frank Whitehouse 1899–1900 19 1 1900–1904 88 23
Bob Whittingham 1919 2 0 1904
1919–1920		 18 8
Louis Williams 1912–1913 4 0 1907–1908 33 1
Ron Wilson 1963–1970 264 5 1959–1964 11 0
Alf Wood 1892–1895 63 18 1895–1901 118 10
John Woodward 1973–1975 88 30 1964–1967 11 1
Davide Xausa 1998 0 0 1997–1998 1 0

Managers who worked at both clubs

Those in bold were actually full-time managers at both clubs.

As of 28 January 2013.
Manager Port Vale career Stoke City career
Span Span
Micky Adams 2009–2010
2011–present		 1994
Bill Asprey 1967–1968 1984–1985
Alan Bloor 1979 1961–1977
Tom Holford 1919–1924
1932–1935		 1898–1908
Jackie Mudie 1965–1967 1961–1963
Bill Rowley 1884–1886 1886–1898
John Rudge 1983–1999 1999–present
Stanley Matthews 1967–1968 1932–1947
1961–1965
Joe Schofield 1924–1930 1915–1919
Freddie Steele 1951–1957
1962–1965		 1933–1949

References

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  5. ↑ The Valiants' Years: The Story Of Port Vale, pages 4-13, Jeff Kent, ISBN 0-9508981-4-7, 1990, Witan Books; The Port Vale Record 1879-1993, page 4, Jeff Kent, ISBN 0-9508981-9-8, 1993, Witan Books; The Potteries Derbies, page 4, Jeff Kent, ISBN 0-9529152-3-5, 1998, Witan Books; and What If There Had Been No Port In The Vale? Startling Port Vale Stories, pages 18-33, Jeff Kent, ISBN 978-0-9529152-8-7, 2011, Witan Books.
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